This comes from a friend of mine - in italics to follow is his analysis of the recent letter from Kirkpatrick and Valentine:
In response to the Office of Theology and Worship's critique of NWAC I would have to say that it is disingenuous at best and disceitful at worse. However, within the document are the seeds of its own error. As a denomination we have long held that one of the signs of a true Church is that it exists where discipline is rightly administered.
To quote this document: "In addressing the questions NWAC raises, we must acknowledge that there is always a gap between any denomination's official positions and the views and practices of some ministers and members of that denomination."
The only way a group of people can work together, in any association is on the basis of mutual trust and common values. Within the church we also need a common and agreed upon understanding of scripture and theology. We not only do not have these in our denomination, but we have shown ourselves unvilling to discipline those who have departed from the "denomination's official position and views." Therefore, simply put, we are no longer a "true church".
Also, throughout the document there are quotes from the Book of Order and the Book of Confessions as the official positions of the church. The reminded me a little of Ken Lay CEO of ENRON saying something like: "Our Manual of Operations states that we will use the highest industry standard accounting practices as certified by an outside accounting firm." Of course it did not matter what their Manual of Operations said or what their outside accountin firm certified, what mattered was their actual practices. In the same manner it does not really matter what the BOO/BOC says if they are not reflected in reality and if we are unwilling to discipline those who do not practice what we say we believe. It is fine to say 'we believe in the Lordship of Jesus Christ', but the real examples of the"Reimagining Conference" and the "What's the Big Deal About Jesus" statement as well as many other public and private statements by leaders, pastors, and other throughout our denomination are denials of what we say we believe.
With regards to some of the specifics in this document, let me make a few comments. The fact that the report on the Trinity was "received" by the General Assembly is seen by many as the first step in our continuing decline from orthodoxy. Thirty years ago the denomination conducted a study of our position on homosexuality. The "Definitive Guidelines" clearly stated that homosexuality was sin and the practicing homosexuals were not to serve in the elected offices of the church. Yet here we are 30 yrs later departing from orthodoxy and opening the door to the practice of ordaining non-repentant homosexuals. The fear is the same process is at work with the issue of the Trinity and many of us wonder what the denomination will be saying 30yrs from now.
However, it is the statement about not abandoning ordination standards that is perhaps the most deceptive. Yes we've kept "fidelity" and "chastity" in the BOO but then the GA said if anyone has a "scruple" and can find a church or presbytery that will agree with them they can still be ordained. The reality is a person could declare a "scruple" about anything, including what was once considered the essentials of the faith and if their church/presbytery agreed they could be ordained. Therefore, we have allowed a loophole that has as its effect that we have no ordination standards that are the common standards of the church and we are no longer a connectional church ordain people on behalf of the whole church. We have in actual fact established "local option" even though everytime "local option" has been brought before the presbyteries it has been defeated. This was a backdoor method of trying to achieve a particular result that has been incredibly divisive thoughout our denomination.
In light of the deletions in chapter 14 mentioned in a previous blog these comments seem to be very questionable.
Tuesday, June 19, 2007
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I doubt I have read a clearer and more concise presentation of the core problem facing our denomination. Thank You.
I read it the same way you did.
I wasn't surprised about the "standards haven't changed" spin.
What actually got me a little upset was when they discussed the Trinity paper. At the end of that discussion, their paper says "Interestingly, the same imagery is also used in the New Wineskins affirmation of the Triune God, "The LORD our God is One who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
It seems to imply that New Wineskins quoted the Trinity paper, instead of God Himself!:
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." - Revelation 1:8
I have no problem with anyone quoting the Bible directly. I had no problem with the Trinity paper using that triad to refer to God, because God Himself used that phrase to describe Himself.
What I do have a problem with (and I believe I am not alone), is when someone concatenates random words from the Bible together into triad form to refer to God. That was and still is the issue.
But then again, I read this letter for what it is - a paper written in a panic, worried about an exodus to the Evangelical Presbyterian Church.
I had an interesting conversation with the Office of Theology back when I posted my original critique of this paper.
I pointed out that other than direct scriptural qoutes there is not one mention of God as "Father".
To which I was told "yes there is" to which I responded "where?"
To which I was told " the footnote on page..."
I laughed out loud.
God, Son, Holy Spirit implies that there is a God and then lesser beings the Son and the Holy Spirit. This fact and it alone is enought to mage TGLOW a major problem. - it is not truly trinitarian.
As much as it may appeal to the snide, superior side of some, the notion that "the One who is, who was, and who is to come" is an example of is kind of unsupportable. Aside from being a direct quote (as has been pointed out) this is not a trinitarian formula - nor is it a triptych describing the persons of the trinity. The attributes are not separate. If one was, one is, and one is to come - which is which? At the time of the writing that would mean two WERE NOT. Two have not always been. And only ONE will continue. This is not a possible rendering or the trinity.
Good point, Will.
The other thing that I will mention is that a lot of people are reading this letter and saying (to me), "Wow! This is great! It looks like all of the problems from the last GA have been resolved!"
What exactly are they on?!
sorry that wasn't nice
What rock have they been under?
ok still a little rough
... I'll just leave it be.
Well, one person I talked to had a different take on the paper. I think he wanted to frame it, because he hadn't before seen something ever come out of the General Assembly office of PCUSA before that acknowledged so many truths in one document: that "Jesus Christ is the only Savior and Lord", that the Bible "is the word of God written", that focused on the sanctity of life, that mentioned that we have fidelity/chastity standards, and acknowledged the trinitarian language of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
So I guess you could look at it that way too.. I certainly didn't see the paper in that light, but you have to admit, that's pretty neat.
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